Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 05:15:35 -1000 From: koconnor@iinet.net.au (Karen O'Connor) Message-Id: <4g7fqn$d0@opera.iinet.net.au> Organization: iiNet technologies Subject: Help? How do I keep warm flying in very cold weather? We are very lucky here in Western Australia - it never EVER snows.. and frost is always gone by about 8:00am. And that's in winter. Now its summer and the weather is just a little too hot (40C+). BUT we have been invited to fly in Korea the week after next.. Weather there today was -6C to 0C. They say it will warm up to about 5C (max) by next week....... Now, that kind of weather we spoiled West Aussies can't even imagine! Phil and David have never seen snow in their whole lives!! (Phil turns 50 while we are away) What do we do to keep warm PLEASE? Remember that anything less than 20C is VERY cold for us. Thought of hot water bottles, we will buy gloves and thermal underwear, and are borrowing down jackets... The wind chill factor must be horrible!!!! Any hints will be very much appreciated. Thanks = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 05:14:35 -1000 From: sc5@prism.gatech.edu (SPC) Message-Id: <4gcogr$1gi@acmey.gatech.edu> Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Subject: Re: Help? How do I keep warm flying in very cold weather? In article <4g7fqn$d0@opera.iinet.net.au>, Karen O'Connor wrote: >we will buy gloves and thermal underwear, and >are borrowing down jackets... Good start. The most important thing to remember is to layer your clothes. Like thermies under jeans covered by snow pants or for upper body, thermal undershirt, t-shirt, sweat shirt, windbreaker, & a down jacket over all of it. Layer things. For your legs, you would be amazed at how much heat panty hose will retain especially when worm under themal underwear. So layer up & stay warm. Gentle breezes, Steve ************************ aoxomoxoa ************************ * I'm not a participant in any organized hobby... * * I'm a kiteflier! * * (with appologies to Will Rogers) * http://server1.admin.gatech.edu/fac/steve/kiting/kiting.htm = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:33:16 -1000 From: mark@murder.compulink.co.uk (Mark de Roussier) Message-Id: <4gdtbo$hcu@zinc.compulink.co.uk> Organization: damage Subject: Re: Help? How do I keep warm flying in very cold weather? koconnor@iinet.net.au (Karen O'Connor) wrote: >BUT we have been invited to fly in Korea the week after next.. Weather there >today was -6C to 0C. They say it will warm up to about 5C (max) by next >week....... > Sounds like the UK at the moment... The most important single thing is warm headgear. Preferably one that offers some 'ear-coverage'. A stretchy woolly hat is good, or a polarfleece one. Neck protection is a particular thing of mine. Unless I put something warm around my neck, I catch cold. Your mileage may vary, as they say. Boots/shoes and *good socks* are important, especially if its going to be wet *and* cold. Don't underestimate the importance of socks. The best ones I've ever found for standing / walking around in the cold are Thor-Lo, but each to his own... Gloves aren't a big issue unless it's actually snowing/raining. Bulky gloves are a PITA when flying, and could even be dangerous in some circumstances. Generally I fly until I can't feel the line anymore, then I stick my hands somewhere warm for a while and start again !:). But its easy to go OTT and end up looking like something out of a B - movie. Take three or four layers worth of stuff with you, a waterproof , warm hat and socks, and just see how much you need to wear. If you're actually out on the field in these conditions for several hours at a time, you may need most of it. But maybe you'll only be active for 20 minute bursts, and you'll be in a bar inbetween times :). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Final thoughts, as breath is taken, Fall to rhythm, and the Edge of pure obsession, Resting in the wind blown cradle, Nothing moves, the world is still... = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:00:18 -1000 From: othasuay@terranet.ab.ca (Frank Lee) Message-Id: <4gdqr2$k7c@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> Organization: I & I Services Subject: Re: Help? How do I keep warm flying in very cold weather? In article <4g7fqn$d0@opera.iinet.net.au>, koconnor@iinet.net.au says... >BUT we have been invited to fly in Korea the week after next.. Weather there >today was -6C to 0C. They say it will warm up to about 5C (max) by next >week....... >What do we do to keep warm PLEASE? Remember that anything less than 20C is >VERY cold for us. > >Thought of hot water bottles, we will buy gloves and thermal underwear, and >are borrowing down jackets... > >The wind chill factor must be horrible!!!! > >Any hints will be very much appreciated. I fly in northern Canada and the temperatures you will be flying in would normally lead me to wear just a fall jacket, bush hat and no gloves. However, as you say you're not acclimatized to it so the following suggestions. . . A good and warm hat that covers your ears completely is the most important item. A pair of warm boots with enough room in them for two sets of woolen socks. Wind proof pants and jacket or the equivalent. With this outfit I can fly in minus twenty-five degree weather as long as I also have good gloves. Good luck in Korea. frank lee othasuay@terranet.ab.ca = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 07:57:53 -1000 From: dgomberg@ednet1.osl.or.gov (David Gomberg) Message-Id: <4gd231$6fk@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Organization: Eastern Oregon State College Subject: Re: Help? How do I keep warm flying in very cold weather? I was in Korea for their last festival. It wasn't *too* cold, but that doesn't mean it won't be this time. If you start getting chilled, stop flying. Take a break, go to one of the tents, have something warm to drink, and *then* go back to the field. Simple enough... Have fun! -- David Gomberg phone 503-996-3083/fax541-994-9692 Gomberg Kite Productions, International Importer of Peter Lynn giant inflatibles. Email us for prices. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 16:41:12 -1000 From: amirault@laraby.tiac.net (Richard Amirault) Message-Id: Organization: The Internet Access Company Subject: Re: Help? How do I keep warm flying in very cold weather? sc5@prism.gatech.edu (SPC) writes: >>we will buy gloves and thermal underwear, and >>are borrowing down jackets... >The most important thing to remember is to layer your clothes. Like >thermies under jeans covered by snow pants or for upper body, thermal >undershirt, t-shirt, sweat shirt, windbreaker, & a down jacket over >all of it. Layer things. For your legs, you would be amazed at how much >heat panty hose will retain especially when worm under themal >underwear. And over everything wear some sort of windbreak. I use *oversized* rain gear. You'd be suprised how far wind can penetrate heavy clothing. -- Richard Amirault N1JDU Boston, Massachusetts USA amirault@tiac.net "Go Fly A Kite" = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 04:08:13 -1000 From: ciuffo@rainbow.rmii.com (Aaron Ciuffo) Message-Id: <4gsesd$6bn@natasha.rmii.com> Organization: Rocky Mountain Internet Inc. Subject: Re: Help? How do I keep warm flying in very cold weather? Richard Amirault (amirault@laraby.tiac.net) wrote: : sc5@prism.gatech.edu (SPC) writes: : >>we will buy gloves and thermal underwear, and : >>are borrowing down jackets... : >The most important thing to remember is to layer your clothes. Like : >thermies under jeans covered by snow pants or for upper body, thermal : >undershirt, t-shirt, sweat shirt, windbreaker, & a down jacket over : >all of it. Layer things. For your legs, you would be amazed at how much : >heat panty hose will retain especially when worm under themal : >underwear. : And over everything wear some sort of windbreak. I use *oversized* rain : gear. You'd be suprised how far wind can penetrate heavy clothing. Also, try using those chemical heaters. The ones that are in small vinal pouches. You boil them to "reste" them, then bend a small metal disk in side, to activate. If kept in a confined space, they will stay warm for hours. Especialy valuable when your hands are numb, and you can't unhook your kite from the line :) Another good article to bring with you is a Thinsulate shirt. It is a special material, made of hollow fibres. It will keep you warm in the coldest conditions. Very thin, but very warm. Drawback; VERY expencive. Aaron Good luck and good winds! Good Luck = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 04:40:48 -1000 From: Kel Krosschell Message-Id: <3131C670.7AA4@millcomm.com> Organization: Millennium Communications, Inc. Subject: Re: Help? How do I keep warm flying in very cold weather? > >today was -6C to 0C. They say it will warm up to about 5C (max) by next > >week....... Buy some "Coveralls"! (a single piece insulated outerwear, with available zip on hood. Walls is a well known brand). Here in MN they're good to -20F in 10mph. I usually avoid windchill factors below -40. The one piece construction avoids the "leaks" between jacket and pants. I just pull them on over my normal indoor attire, boots, gloves, kite and fly. I seriously recommend wrist straps in cold weather. I started with handles, but found that they reduce the circulation in the fingers. This coupled with the cold is a lose/lose situation. The wrist straps allow you to "exercise" your fingers to help keep them warm, as well as work well with MITTENS (so your fingers can share the heat). Probably the best solution I've found for cold weather flying is to fly indoors....Now becoming a challenging activity for 2 and 4 line fliers in addition to us single line Nuts. Kel_,_ -- Kel_._ the MN_KiteNut (Kel Krosschell) E-mail to kitenut@millcomm.com Home page at http://www.millcomm.com/~kitenut/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =